Most of us are buying these pants bc of how they look, and they definitely deliver in that regard. However, the downsides far outweigh that benefit in my opinion (as someone who wore these for 2 seasons). They should be rated a 2 for waterproof, warmth, and breathability. I had the tan so the water marks really showed themselves even on fairly dry days. The wind blows straight through these pants, yet you might be sweating simultaneously somehow lol. The elastic band at the bottom constantly got stuck on my ski brakes since I keep my legs close together while skiing which eventually caused them to rip off completely.